House Bill 197, has extended the deadline for expiration of all licenses issued by the state of Ohio until either 90 days after the expiration of the emergency declared by Governor Mike DeWine’s Executive Order 2020-01D or December 1, 2020 – whichever date is earlier. As a result, the expiration date for all OTA licenses has been adjusted to December 1, 2020 in the Ohio eLicense system. Please note that this date will change when the emergency order is lifted.

OH



License required (In-state)Req. for suppliers (Out-of-state)Licensing AgencyVerify OnlineReq. for Pharmacies (in-state)Notes

Automatic Ext Defibrillator (AEDS) and/or Supplies (DM01)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Blood Glucose Monitors/ Supplies (Non-Mail Order) (DM05)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Blood Glucose Monitors/Supplies (Mail Order) (DM06)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Breast Prostheses and/or Accessories (PD01)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Canes and/or Crutches (M01)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Cochlear Implants (PD02)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Commodes, Urinals, Bedpans (DM02)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Continuous Passive Motion (CPM) Devices (DM03)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP Devices) (R01)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Contracture Treatment Devices: Dynamic Splint (DM04)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Diabetic Shoes and Inserts (S02)

Pedorthist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

No

G

Diabetic Shoes/Inserts – Custom (S03)

Pedorthist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

No

G

Enteral Equipment and Supplies (PE04)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Enteral Nutrients (PE03)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Epoetin (A01)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

External Infusion Pump Supplies (DM24)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

External Infusion Pumps (DM12)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Facial Prostheses (PD03)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Gastric Suction Pumps (DM07)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Heat & Cold Applications (DM08)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

High Frequency Chest Wall Oscillation Devices/Supplies (R02)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Hospital Beds (Electric) (DM09)

Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License

Yes

Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Industiral Compliance

Yes

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/dic/dico_apps/bedd/LicenseLookup/Default.aspx

Yes

C

Hospital Beds (Manual) (DM10)

Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License

Yes

Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Industiral Compliance

Yes

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/dic/dico_apps/bedd/LicenseLookup/Default.aspx

Yes

C

Immunosuppressive Drugs (A02)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Implanted Infusion Pumps and/or Supplies (DM14)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Infrared Heating Pads Systems and/or supplies (DM11)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Infusion Drugs (A03)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Insulin Infusion Pump Supplies (DM25)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Insulin Infusion Pumps (DM13)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Intermittent Positive Pressure Breathing (IPPB Devices) (R04)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Intrapulmonary Percussive Ventilation Devices (R05)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Invasive Mechanical Ventilation (R03)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Limb Prostheses (PR01)

Prosthetist-Orthotist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G
Prosthetics License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G

Mechanical In-Exsufflation Devices (R06)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Nebulizer Drugs (A04)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Nebulizer Equipment and/or Supplies (R07)

Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Negative Pressure Wound Therapy Pumps/ Supplies (DM15)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Neuromuscular Elect Stimulators (NMES)/Supplies (DM16)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Neurostimulators and/or Supplies (PD04)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Ocular Prostheses (PD05)

Ocularist License

Yes

Ohio Optical Dispensers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

No

N/A

Oral Anticancer Drugs (A05)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Oral Antiemetic Drugs (A06)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Orthoses: Custom Fab (OR01)

Orthotist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G
Prosthetist-Orthotist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G

Orthoses: Off the Shelf (OR03)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Orthoses: Prefabricated (Custom Fitted) (OR02)

Orthotist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G
Prosthetist-Orthotist License

Yes

Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

G

Osteogenesis Stimulators (DM17)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Ostomy Supplies (PD06)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Oxygen Equipment and/or Supplies (R08)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H
Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Seller of Medical Oxygen

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

No

J

K

Parenteral Equipment and Supplies (PE06)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Parenteral Nutrients (PE05)

Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

N/A

Patient Lifts (M02)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Pneumatic Compression Devices and/or Supplies (DM18)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Power Operated Vehicles (Scooters) (M03)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Prosthetic Lenses: Conventional Contact Lenses (PD12)

Contact Lens Optician License

Yes

Ohio Optical Dispensers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

D

Prosthetic Lenses: Conventional Eyeglasses (PD11)

Spectacle Optician License

Yes

Ohio Optical Dispensers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

D

Prosthetic Lenses: Prosthetic Cataract Lenses (PD13)

Spectacle/Contact Lens Optician License

Yes

Ohio Optical Dispensers Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_VerifyLicense

Yes

D

Respiratory Assist Devices (R09)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Respiratory Suction Pumps (R10)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Seat Lift Mechanisms (M04)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Somatic Prostheses (PD07)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Speech Generating Devices (DM19)

Speech-Language Pathologist

No

Ohio Speech and Hearing Professionals Board

Yes

http://www.slpaud.ohio.gov/

Yes

O

Support Surfaces: Pressure Reducing Beds/Mats/Pads - New (DM20)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Support Surfaces: Pressure Reducing Beds/Mats/Pads - Used (DM26)

Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License

Yes

Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Industiral Compliance

Yes

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/dic/dico_apps/bedd/LicenseLookup/Default.aspx

Yes

C

Surgical Dressings (S01)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

TENS and/or Supplies (DM22)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

M

Tracheostomy Supplies (PD08)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Traction Equipment (DM21)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Ultraviolet Light Devices and/or Supplies (DM23)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Urological Supplies (PD09)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Vacuum Erection/ Penile Pumps (OR04)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Ventilators: All Types - Not CPAP or RAD (R12)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L
Respiratory Care Professional

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/OH_HomePage

No

H

Voice Prosthetics (PD10)

Speech-Language Pathologist

No

Ohio Speech and Hearing Professionals Board

Yes

http://www.slpaud.ohio.gov/

Yes

O

Walkers (M05)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Wheelchair Seating/Cushions (M10)

Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License

Yes

Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Industiral Compliance

Yes

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/dic/dico_apps/bedd/LicenseLookup/Default.aspx

Yes

C

Wheelchairs (Complex Rehab Manual Rel Accessories) (M08A)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Wheelchairs (Complex Rehab Power Rel Accessories) (M09A)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Wheelchairs (Complex Rehabilitative Manual) (M08)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Wheelchairs (Complex Rehabilitative Power) (M09)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Wheelchairs (Standard Manual Related Accessories and Repairs) (M06A)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Wheelchairs (Standard Manual) (M06)

No License Required

No

N/ANo

No

N/A

Wheelchairs (Standard Power Related Accessories and Repairs) (M07A)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L

Wheelchairs (Standard Power) (M07)

Home Medical Services Provider License

Yes

Ohio Board of Pharmacy

Yes

https://elicense.ohio.gov/oh_verifylicense

Yes

I

L


Specialty Database


License required (In-state)Req. for suppliers (Out-of-state)Licensing AgencyVerify OnlineReq. for Pharmacies (in-state)Notes

Ambulatory Surgical Center

Ambulatory Surgical Center Facility License

No

Department of Health

Yes

No

N/A

Home Health Agency

Home Health Agency Certification

No

Department of Health

Yes

No

N/A

Hospital

Hospital Registration

No

Department of Health

Yes

No

B and L

Nursing Home (Skilled, Intermediate Care)

Nursing Facility License

No

Department of Health

Yes

No

N/A
Nursing Home Administrator License

No

Ohio Board of Medical Examiners

No

No

N/A

Optometrist

Optometrist License

Yes

Ohio Board of Optometry

Yes

No

L

Physician

Doctor of Medicine License

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

No

L
Doctor of Podiatric Medicine

Yes

Ohio State Medical Board

Yes

No

L
Licensing Agencies:
Ohio Board of Pharmacy
Phone: 614-466-4143
Web: http://www.pharmacy.ohio.gov/
  • Home Medical Services Provider License
  • Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Pharmacy
  • Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs, Retail Seller of Medical Oxygen
Ohio Occupational Therapy, Physical Therapy, and Athletic Trainers Board
Phone: 614-466-3474
Web: http://otptat.ohio.gov/
  • Orthotist License
  • Pedorthist License
  • Prosthetics License
  • Prosthetist-Orthotist License
Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Industiral Compliance
Phone: 614-644-2223
Web: http://www.com.ohio.gov/dico/contacts.aspx
  • Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License
Ohio State Medical Board
Phone: 614-466-3934
Web: http://www.med.ohio.gov/
  • Doctor of Medicine License
  • Doctor of Podiatric Medicine
  • Respiratory Care Professional
Ohio Board of Optometry
Phone: 614-466-5115
Web: http://optometry.ohio.gov/
  • Optometrist License
Department of Health
Phone: 614-752-9524
Web: http://www.odh.ohio.gov/
  • Ambulatory Surgical Center Facility License
  • Home Health Agency Certification
  • Hospital Registration
  • Nursing Facility License
Ohio Board of Medical Examiners
Phone: 614-466-5114
Web: http://www.ohiobenha.org/
  • Nursing Home Administrator License
Ohio Speech and Hearing Professionals Board
Phone: 614-466-3145
Web: http://www.slpaud.ohio.gov/
  • License of Audiologist
  • Speech-Language Pathologist
Ohio Optical Dispensers Board
Phone: 614-466-9709
Web: http://www.optical.ohio.gov/
  • Contact Lens Optician License
  • Ocularist License
  • Spectacle Optician License
  • Spectacle/Contact Lens Optician License
Notes:17
B - There is no hospital licensure in Ohio; however, hospitals must be registered and must report certain information to the Ohio Department of Health (ODH) annually in accordance with section 3701.07 of the Ohio Revised Code. Hospitals with accreditation by an accrediting organization that the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) has approved for deeming authority are deemed to meet all conditions of participation for Medicare program participation and are not under the jurisdiction of the Ohio Department of Health (ODH) for survey and certification.

C - The Bedding, Upholstered Furniture and Stuffed Toy Registration License is required for used equipment only. If the retailer is selling only new articles and is not manufacturing, importing, distributing or wholesaling regulated articles, they are not required to obtain a registration license. The board will only issue one Bedding and Stuffed Toy Registration Certificate per supplier, as long as the tax id and business name match. One registration will cover the multiple locations of the supplier.

D - The Spectacle/Contact Lens Optician License does not apply to Ohio licensed Optometrists or Physicians.

G - Licensed Orthotists or Prosthetists may also provide diabetic shoes and inserts (custom and non-custom). Per Ohio Code 4779.02, exemptions to practice orthotics, prosthetics, or pedorthics include the following professionals: Individuals who hold a current, valid license, certificate, or registration issued under Chapter 4723 (Nurses), 4730 (Physician Assistants), 4731 (Physicians; Limited Practitioners), 4734 (Chiropractors), 4755 (Physical Therapists; Occupational Therapists; Athletic Trainers), or 4729 (Pharmacists) and are practicing within their scope of practice under statutes and rules regulating each individual’s profession. (Effective: 06/06/2001; Rev: 07/25/2018)

H - Please see Ohio Revised Code 4761.01 for the definition of Respiratory Care and for additional information. Installation and demonstration of home medical equipment used for the delivery of oxygen may be conducted by home medical equipment facility representatives (ORC 4752) that are not licensed respiratory therapists. However, if the service involves administering and/or instructing in the use of medical gases, a licensed respiratory therapist must perform such activity. 3/22/2019

I - The Ohio Board of Pharmacy may issue a Certificate of Registration in lieu of the Home Medical Equipment Services Provider license if the supplier holds an accreditation from the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations or another national accrediting body recognized by the Ohio Board of Pharmacy.

J - Oxygen concentrators are NOT dangerous drugs and if that is the ONLY type of oxygen that a supplier provides, then a Terminal Distributor of Dangerous Drugs license is not required.

K - The TDDD-Retail Seller of Medical Oxygen license is not required if the supplier holds a valid category 02 or 03 pharmacy license. Pharmacies that hold a limited category 02 or 03 license will be issued an addendum as part of the license, listing the drug or medical gas a supplier may dispense. (TDDD-RSOX Effective: 1994; Added: 06/04/2013; Rev.1: 08/08/2013)

L - A Home Medical Services Provider License is also required for home health agencies and the following health care practitioners who sell or rent home medical equipment: dentists, registered or licensed practical nurses, optometrists, opticians, pharmacists, physicians, podiatrists, chiropractors, speech-language pathologists or audiologists, occupational therapists, physical therapists, and respiratory care professionals. A pharmacy may be exempt from obtaining the Home Medical Equipment Services Provider License if total payments received are less than ten thousand dollars per year from selling or renting home medical equipment that would require a license. Additionally, the following are exempt: A hospital that provides home medical equipment services only as an integral part of patient care and does not provide the services through a separate entity that has its own Medicare or Medicaid provider number; nursing facilities; Orthotists, Prosthetists, Pedorthists or a home dialysis equipment provider regulated by federal law.

M - Effective June 4, 2014, TENS devices labeled by the food and drug administration (FDA) for over-the-counter use and are identified with the FDA product code "NUH.OTC.TENS” do not require the Home Medical Services Provider License.

N - Any instruction to the patient regarding the prescription and clinical use of equipment must be performed by an OH licensed audiologist or another authorized practitioner such as a physician. A supplier may contract with an OH qualified individual to provide this service to the patient. Non licensed personnel may only deliver cochlear impact equipment for use by a patient.

O - Any instruction to the patient regarding the prescription and clinical use of equipment must be performed by an OH licensed speech-language pathologist or another authorized practitioner such as a physician. A supplier may contract with an OH qualified individual to provide this service to the patient. Non licensed personnel may only deliver speech generating devices or voice prosthetic equipment for use by a patient.

Z - As of 2008, Cochlear Implants are no longer considered DME, and they are now paid through Part B